Artistic Finance
Artistic Finance provides theatre makers with honest, no-pretension insights into managing money in the entertainment industry. Hosted by lighting designer Ethan Steimel, this podcast delves into the personal finance challenges and business realities of show business, offering candid advice and practical tools tailored to creatives working behind the scenes. https://www.artisticfinance.com/
Episodes

Sunday Sep 25, 2022
Sunday Sep 25, 2022
Hair, wig, and makeup designer Cookie Jordan talks about how she has managed her finances from The Santa Fe Opera to Broadway.
Topics:
⭐️ Paying rent early
⭐️ Unions on Broadway
⭐️ Money is to serve you, you do not serve money
⭐️ When working with non profits, asking for in-kind donation receipts
Become a patron:www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Episode outtakes:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/39-cookie-jordan-46423499
Cookie has designed 26 Broadway shows including A Strange Loop, The Piano Lesson, Slave Play, and The Cher Show. She has been nominated for three Drama Desk Awards for hair and makeup design.
Cookie started at The Santa Fe Opera and has now designed in nearly every opera house in the USA. She has also designed in theaters from Arena Stage, to New York City Center, to Washington DC’s Ford’s Theater.
Cookie's Bio:
https://summitentertainmentgroup.com/project/cookie-jordan/
Papillon Dog (Gus):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papillon_dog
Anywhere Cafe (live music) 2nd St & 2nd Avenue in Manhattan:
https://www.anywaycafe.com/east-village
Chimayo - New Mexico (for red chiles and Cookie's art):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimayo,_New_Mexico
Tom Watson - Broadway Hair & Wig Designer:
https://www.ibdb.com/broadway-cast-staff/tom-watson-76348
You Can't Take It With You (play):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Can%27t_Take_It_with_You_(play)
Choir Boy (play):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choir_Boy
Steve Hendel - Fela! Producer (IG @FelaProducer):
https://www.ibdb.com/broadway-organization/ruth-steve-hendel-521266
Fela!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fela!
High School Musical Tour (2006 - I had said 2008):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_School_Musical:_The_Concert
Become a patron at:www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Sunday Sep 18, 2022
Sunday Sep 18, 2022
Theatre director Ronny Dutra talks about how he handles money and why he moved to NYC for a career in theatre.
We discuss:
⭐️ The Music Man on Broadway
⭐️ Planning the work. Working the plan.
⭐️ No matter what, keeping your eye on the prize.
⭐️ Ronny’s dance training and competitive ballroom dancing.
⭐️ How his goal of being a Broadway performer that shifted to directing.
Become a patron:
www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Ronny Dutra - Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RonnyDutra
Artistic Finance - Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRvdJLOkf6Nk6ucb9ISo0-A
Ronny Dutra Website:
https://ronnydutra.com/
Ronny Dutra Instagram - @ronnydutra:
https://www.instagram.com/ronnydutra/?hl=en
Rio Uphill:
https://www.riouphill.com/
The Phantom of the Opera on Broadway:
https://us.thephantomoftheopera.com/
The Music Man on Broadway:
https://musicmanonbroadway.com/
Cláudio Botehlo - Episode 13 (English):
https://youtu.be/_Rhf8Vhn924
Cláudio Botehlo - Episode 13.1 (Portuguese):
https://youtu.be/QnMwWZF89Gw
John Lee Beatty - Episode 32:
https://youtu.be/QqZzORzV1j8
Ken Billington - Episode 38:
https://youtu.be/cuojA4i6y5c
Nina Goldman - Episode 11:
https://youtu.be/H20I0ZX7P1o
Cats - Ken Page - Episode 113:
https://youtu.be/k9-80UGHvvg
Become a patron:
www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Provide feedback:
https://forms.gle/utJU1SAZsNY782XK6
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Sunday Sep 11, 2022
Sunday Sep 11, 2022
"If you have what you want and need, you're doing fine. And if you can afford to have it, you're doing 3000% better than a lot of people."
Discussing Cats with original Broadway cast member Ken Page!
Topics:
⭐️ The first megamusical
⭐️ Audition and rehearsal process
⭐️ Broadway version versus the West End
⭐️ Judi Dench playing Old Deuteronomy in the film
Cats Stats:
⭐️ 4th longest running Broadway show of all time
⭐️ 9th highest grossing Broadway show of all time
⭐️ 2nd most popular tee shirt of the 1980s (globally)
⭐️ 3.5 billion gross as of 2012 (reported by New York Post)
Patron episode:
⭐️ The Muny - Ken's 47 shows (2 with Ethan)
⭐️ Ken's trip to Italy - mistaken for Morgan Freeman
⭐️ Ain't Misbehavin' - John Lee Beatty's Broadway set design
Patron Outtakes:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/113-cats-71656249
Video Version:
https://youtu.be/k9-80UGHvvg
Ken Page - IBDB.com:
https://www.ibdb.com/broadway-cast-staff/ken-page-55425
Cats IBDB.com:
https://www.ibdb.com/broadway-production/cats-4186
Highest Grossing Broadway Shows of All Time:
https://www.topviewnyc.com/packages/the-highest-grossing-broadway-shows-of-all-time
Cats Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_(musical)
Cats The Musical - Tickets:
https://www.catsthemusical.com/
The Megamusical - by Jessica Sternfeld
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/2346738.The_Megamusical
Cats Box Office Disaster Tanks Universal's Profit:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/media/cats-comcast-earnings/index.html
Why Exactly Did So Many People Like Cats In The First Place:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/why-exactly-did-so-many-people-like-cats-in-the-first-place/2019/12/19/3503e3b8-2006-11ea-86f3-3b5019d451db_story.html
How Cats Changed Broadway:
https://variety.com/2016/legit/news/how-cats-changed-broadway-1201827574/
Become a patron:
www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Provide feedback:
https://forms.gle/utJU1SAZsNY782XK6
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Monday Aug 22, 2022
Monday Aug 22, 2022
Sound engineer Brandon Blackwell talks about day trading during the COVID 19 pandemic.
Brandon has mixed audio for Lizzo, A$AP Rocky, Ciara, Nicki Minaj, Camila Cabello, Drake, Big Sean, Chaka Khan, Jennifer Hudson, and more.
We discuss:
⭐️ Day trading is accessible.
⭐️ You will suffer loses short term.
⭐️ Try new things until you find traction.
⭐️ Recessions and depressions will happen.
⭐️ Artists have to be financially prepared for townturns.
Brandon's links:
BrandonBlackwell.com
https://www.instagram.com/brandonblackwell23
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandonrblackwell/
https://www.youtube.com/user/bblack1023xbox360
Become a patron:www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Episode outtakes:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/35-brandon-45491471
Full Sail University:
https://www.fullsail.edu/
Ray Chew:
https://www.raychew.com/
A$AP Rocky:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASAP_Rocky
Lizzo:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzo
Summer Walker:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Walker
Snoh Aalegra:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snoh_Aalegra
Tayla Parx:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayla_Parx
Entourage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entourage_(American_TV_series)
Guggenheim Bilbao - Beautiful Building by Frank Gehry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guggenheim_Museum_Bilbao
1099 vs. W2:
https://www.seekcapital.com/blog/1099-vs-w2-employee/
Revolution Trading Group:
https://discord.me/revolutiontradinggroup
The Investor's Podcast - We Study Billionaires:
https://www.theinvestorspodcast.com/we-study-billionaires/
Trend - trading:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/trendtrading.asp#:~:text=Trend%20trading%20is%20a%20trading,a%20security%20is%20trending%20upward.
Resistance - trading:
https://www.investopedia.com/trading/support-and-resistance-basics/
Robinhood Trading App - Ethan's Affiliate LInk:
https://join.robinhood.com/ethans21
Masters of Scale - Podcast by Founder of LinkedIn, Reid Hoffman:
https://mastersofscale.com/
Per Diem:
https://www.gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates/frequently-asked-questions-per-diem
Andrew Sotomayor - Episode 34:
https://www.artisticfinance.com/episode/mdFcucgJ24BFdhNZfvXv
Links from the patron only episode:
Kathy Perkins - Episode 8:
https://www.artisticfinance.com/episode/HwXnrcTOYRUBQ3SZ664T
Earn Your Leisure - Podcast:
https://www.earnyourleisure.com/
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Sunday Aug 14, 2022
Sunday Aug 14, 2022
An update on the Artistic Finance 6k--the $6,000 of investments we made in May of 2021. We’re joined by a bond investment CEO and a data analyst to review how our investments compare to the S&P 500.
We discuss a new experiment! Our guests have purchased $1,000 investments of their own to see how they can do against my investments and the market at large.
Links & Resources:
Maithreyi Gopalakrishnan - CEO of LiquidiFi:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/maithreyi-gopalakrishnan/
maithreyi@liquidificorp.com
Katie Buhrman - Data Analyst:
@ktbuhr on Instagram
https://www.linkedin.com/in/katherinebuhrman/
https://brokercheck.finra.org/individual/summary/6520240
Ethan Steimel - Lighting Designer:
@artisticfinance on Instagram
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethansteimel/
The Investor's Podcast - an episode about Bonds:
https://www.theinvestorspodcast.com/bitcoin-fundamentals/fed-policy-bitcoin-etfs-euro-dollar-impacts-steven-mcclurg/
Previous Episodes of Interest:
Cryptocurrency with Najah Roberts:
https://www.artisticfinance.com/episode/JM5QCXLUhsqOfRDC8Dd2/Cryptocurrency-Bitcoin-with-Najah-Roberts
Bond Investing - aka I-Bonds - with Maithreyi Gopalakrishnan:
https://www.artisticfinance.com/episode/Ls2svcghok0FemQVcNBp/Bond-Investing-with-Maithreyi-Gopalakrishnan
Wine Investing with Anthony Zhang:
https://www.artisticfinance.com/episode/G7sKrzcmEwJeor6iAy4t/Wine-Investing-with-Anthony-Zhang
Affiliate links:
M1 Finance - Good for Long Term / Buy and Hold Investors - I don't think there is a sign up incentive:
m1finance.8bxp97.net/XxYPZg
Coinbase - Cryptocurrency Exchange - $10 of Bitcoin:
https://www.coinbase.com/join/steime_0
Vinovest - Wine Investing - 3 months of free wine storage:
https://app.vinovest.co?grsf=2p0wk3
Robinhood - Stock Trading - Intuitive and easy to use - Free Stock On Signup:
https://join.robinhood.com/ethans21
We Bull - Free Stock Trading - Design for Traders - I find it difficult to navigate - 5 Free Stocks on Signup:
https://act.webull.com/pm/do1QnByzkAhA/a3j/inviteUs/main
ETF - the S&P 500 index fund we hold:
IVV - iShares Core S&P 500
Stocks:
VST - Vistra Corp
LAC - Lithium Americas
TAP - Molson Coors Beverage (owners of Blue Moon)
SKLZ- Skillz
Cryptocurrency:
Bitcoin
Wine:
We own one case through Vinovest
Vinovest
Real Estate - REITS:
UBA - Urstadt Biddle Properties
SRG - Seritage Growth Properties
VICI - Experiential Real Estate - Previously MGM Properties
STAG - STAG Industrial
Art:
Bret Slater - Artist
https://www.bretslater.com/
Photos of the Painting:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/64295618
Full story of commissioning the piece - only accessible to patrons:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/61516832
Ian Dunlap - The Investor Ethan follows:
https://linktr.ee/themasterinvestor
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Become a patron:
www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Sunday Aug 07, 2022
Sunday Aug 07, 2022
Broadway producer Heather Shields explains how to invest in a Broadway show. (Part 2 of 2)
We discuss:
⭐️ Measuring revenue by gross potential
⭐️ How to access opportunities to invest
⭐️ A minimum investing unit for a Broadway show
⭐️ Broadway investors MUST BE accredited investors
⭐️ Broadway investors almost always file an extension for taxes
⭐️ Documents investors sign - operating agreement, subscription agreement, and tax documents
Bonus Episode - How We Became Co Producers On Broadway:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/how-we-became-co-70214738
Heather Shields - @heathereshields::
https://www.linkedin.com/in/heather-shields-7a209747
Business of Broadway:
https://www.thebusinessofbroadway.com/heather-shields
Tom Smedes Productions:
https://www.tomsmedes.com/
The Industry Standard Group:
https://www.theindustrystandardgroup.com/
The Producer’s Hub:
https://www.producerhub.org/
Social Security Benefits - create an account at any age::
https://www.ssa.gov/
Broadway’s A Christmas Carol:
https://achristmascarolbroadway.com/
Forbes Article on 2019 Broadway Season Financials:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/leeseymour/2019/07/11/investors-set-to-lose-100-million-as-broadway-undergoes-huge-market-correction/?sh=a29734447d24
SEC Accredited Investor:
https://www.sec.gov/corpfin/amendments-accredited-investor-definition-secg
Become a patron:
www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Provide feedback:
https://forms.gle/utJU1SAZsNY782XK6
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Sunday Jul 31, 2022
Sunday Jul 31, 2022
Broadway producer Heather Shields explains how to invest in a Broadway show. Part one of a two part interview.
We discuss:
⭐️ Recoupment schedules and break even points
⭐️ The 40 year exploitation period of an author’s work
⭐️ Investing early is riskier but can provide a higher return
⭐️ The three types of producers on Broadway - lead, executive, and co
⭐️ The importance of the 10 days before Christmas for seasonal shows
Early release of next week's episode:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/69873666?pr=true
Heather Shields - @heathereshields::
https://www.linkedin.com/in/heather-shields-7a209747
Business of Broadway:
https://www.thebusinessofbroadway.com/heather-shields
Tom Smedes Productions:
https://www.tomsmedes.com/
The Industry Standard Group:
https://www.theindustrystandardgroup.com/
The Producer’s Hub:
https://www.producerhub.org/
Social Security Benefits - create an account at any age::
https://www.ssa.gov/
Broadway’s A Christmas Carol:
https://achristmascarolbroadway.com/
Forbes Article on 2019 Broadway Season Financials:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/leeseymour/2019/07/11/investors-set-to-lose-100-million-as-broadway-undergoes-huge-market-correction/?sh=a29734447d24
SEC Accredited Investor:
https://www.sec.gov/corpfin/amendments-accredited-investor-definition-secg
Become a patron:
www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Provide feedback:
https://forms.gle/utJU1SAZsNY782XK6
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Sunday Jul 17, 2022
Sunday Jul 17, 2022
Lighting designer Marsha Stern joins the show to talk finances as a lighting designer in NYC nightclubs.
Topics:
⭐️ Her time working in NYC nightclubs in the 1980s
⭐️ Being on payroll for venues versus freelance income
⭐️ Saving for retirement by putting in to social security
⭐️ Transitioning to working in architecture and "architainment"
⭐️ Entry into the entertainment industry via a music career, and shifting focus back to music since the pandemic.
Bonus Episode Includes:
⭐️ Marsha’s autographed backstage passes
⭐️ Leasing Vari*lites before you could buy them
⭐️ LDI - Marsha and I will both be there to record a LIVE episode
⭐️ Lighting at Radio City Music Hall and calling six followspots at once
Bonus Episode:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/108-marsha-stern-69193239?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copy_to_clipboard&utm_campaign=postshare
Video of the Interview:
https://youtu.be/KFSmWk1_cUw
Marsha on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/marsha.stern.58/
Marsha on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/marsha-stern-5390585/
The Heartbeat Of The Dance Floor®
https://heartbeatofthedancefloor.com
Roy Thode:
https://roythode.com
Studio 54:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_54
LDI:
https://www.ldishow.com/
Dennis Size episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfd8v39G8aE&ab_channel=ArtisticFinance
Ken Billington episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuojA4i6y5c&t=61s&ab_channel=ArtisticFinance
Anne Militello - Lighting Designer:
https://vortexlighting.com/anne-militello
Women In Lighting Design presentation by Anne Militello:
https://womeninlighting.com/extras/entry/pioneers-of-light-a-history-of-women-in-lighting-design
Paul Gregory - creator of Focus Lighting:
https://www.focuslighting.com/news/2018/4/11/paul-gregory-for-architectural-lighting-magazine-10-years-later
Destiney Powell episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFysg4gfCPU&ab_channel=ArtisticFinance
Links from the Patreon episode:
Michael Strickland episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeYs0rrXZ0k&ab_channel=ArtisticFinance
Geezers of Gear:
http://geezersofgear.com/website/the-evolution-of-automated-lighting-part-1
LD at Large:
https://plsn.com/category/podcasts/ld-at-large-podcast/
Become a patron:
www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Provide feedback:
https://forms.gle/utJU1SAZsNY782XK6
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Sunday Jul 10, 2022
Sunday Jul 10, 2022
Rachel Schmeling, an actor and finance coach, provides actionable advice on improving personal finances.
Topics:
⭐️Budgeting
⭐️Falling in love with future you
⭐️Reframing negative money attitudes
⭐️Defining success and finding our core beliefs
⭐️Shifting out of victim mindset and taking ownership of our finances
Bonus episode:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/68919886
Rachel Schmeling:
https://www.rachelschmeling.com/
List of Values - from Brené Brown:
https://brenebrown.com/resources/dare-to-lead-list-of-values/
Beyond The Green:
https://www.beyondthegreencoaching.com/
Have feedback?
https://forms.gle/utJU1SAZsNY782XK6
Become a patron:
www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Monday Jul 04, 2022
Monday Jul 04, 2022
Jamie Esteva Wilson, an actor and musician from Manila, Philippines joins the podcast to talk about his relationship with finance.
Topics:⭐️ Choosing freelancing over a corporate job⭐️ How money is motivation to get out of bed⭐️ Becoming a COVID safety officer during pandemicOther things that surprised me:⭐️ Jamie lives without a credit card⭐️ 30+ years as a theatre artist while not being great with money⭐️ Learning a hard lesson by being talented BUT showing up unpreparedJamie returns in a follow up episode in Tagalog.
https://www.artisticfinance.com/episode/bJlGJ4uTd6ty5aUYgOtl/Teatro-Sa-Maynila-At-NYC-sa-TagalogBonus Episode:⭐️ Jamie’s first role in Pippin⭐️ Jamie’s podcast, that involves drinking and smoking on air⭐️ And lots of Star Wars! Jamie breaks down the business plan of whether or not he should get a Chewbacca suit.
Jamie Esteve Wilson - Instagram @jetboyboogie:
https://www.instagram.com/jetboyboogie/?hl=en
Atlantis Theatrical Entertainment Group:
http://atlantistheatrical.com/about
Have feedback?
https://forms.gle/utJU1SAZsNY782XK6
Become a patron:
www.patreon.com/artisticfinance
Interview by Ethan Steimel