Artistic Finance
Artistic Finance provides theatre makers with honest, no-pretension insights into managing money in the entertainment industry. Hosted by lighting designer Ethan Steimel, this podcast delves into the personal finance challenges and business realities of show business, offering candid advice and practical tools tailored to creatives working behind the scenes. https://www.artisticfinance.com/
Episodes

Monday Jan 13, 2025
Monday Jan 13, 2025
A discussion of various financial independence topics for people working in the creative industry.
Topics:
⭐️ Improving Financial IQ
⭐️ The “starving artist” narrative
⭐️ Empowering confidence in personal financial decisions
A live episode recorded at LDI in collaboration with Amy D Lux / Lobolux Design's Financial Independence Club.
Video Version
https://youtu.be/Nqo4Z7UREKE
Artistic Finance
https://linktr.ee/artisticfinance
Kinetic Lighting
https://kineticlighting.com/
LDI
https://www.ldishow.com/
How to Set Up an HSA
https://www.healthcare.gov/high-deductible-health-plan/setting-up-hsa/
What Is An IRA?
https://www.fidelity.com/learning-center/smart-money/what-is-an-ira
Rocket Money
https://www.rocketmoney.com/
Rich Dad, Poor Dad
https://bookshop.org/p/books/rich-dad-poor-dad-what-the-rich-teach-their-kids-about-money-that-the-poor-and-middle-class-do-not-robert-t-kiyosaki/17533307?aid=86693&ean=9781612681139&listref=artistic-finance-books
(my affiliate link)
IATSE 728
https://www.iatse728.org/
Gusto
https://gusto.com/
Intuit
https://www.intuit.com/
Matt Mills
https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-mills-0556026/
https://www.lightingprogrammer.com/about
https://www.instagram.com/mattmills407/
Matt Guminski
https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-guminski-bba32816/
https://www.mglightingdesign.com/portfolio
https://www.instagram.com/mattygld/
Erica D Hayes
https://www.ericadhayes.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericadhayes/
https://www.instagram.com/ericadhayes/
Amy D Lux:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/amy-d-lux-953a7318a/
https://utopiadreamscape.com/author/luvlogica/
Instagram Handles
@ericadhayes
@mattmills407
@mattygld
@lobolux
@nicolevsteimel
@ethansteimel
@live.design
@ldishow
Hosted by Ethan Steimel

Sunday Dec 29, 2024
Sunday Dec 29, 2024
Learn about the process of designing and producing live shows for music artists with our Los Angeles based guests: lighting designer and programmer, Erica D Hayes and COO and Show Director at Wasted Potential, Zach Berget.
Topics:
⭐️Balancing the creative vision of an artist with the logistical realities of large-scale budgets.
⭐️ The workflow behind developing these narratives and visual elements.
Video Version
TBDhttps://youtu.be/H2sMFfOzyB4
Artistic Finance
https://linktr.ee/artisticfinance
Wasted Potential
https://www.wastedpotential.net/
Human Persons
https://humanperson.com/
Kinetic Lighting
https://kineticlighting.com/
Grand MA Lighting Consoles
https://www.malighting.com/
Hog Lighting Consoles
https://www.etcconnect.com/Products/Consoles/Hog-4-Consoles/
Avolite Lighting Consoles
http://www.avolites.us/
ACT Entertainment
https://actentertainment.com/
LDI
https://www.ldishow.com/
Erica D Hayes
https://www.ericadhayes.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericadhayes/
https://www.instagram.com/ericadhayes/
Zach Berget
https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachary-berget-201836164/
https://www.instagram.com/zachconcepts/
Ebony Madry
https://www.instagram.com/ebmadry/?hl=en
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ebony-madry-6a9651139/
Instagram Handles
@ericadhayes
@zachconcepts
@wastedpotential
@nicolevsteimel
@ethansteimel
@live.design
@ldishow
Hosted by Ethan Steimel

Monday Dec 23, 2024
Monday Dec 23, 2024
Theatre director Oliver Butler discusses the state of pay for theatre directors.
Topics:
⭐️ Director Fees at Non-Profit Theatres in NYC
⭐️ Giving credit to the non profits that pay above the SDC minimum.
⭐️ Actionable steps to address the issue both for individuals and institutions.
⭐️ Discussing theatre pay honestly and in public so we don’t uphold the myth that it’s livable.
Video Version
https://youtu.be/8uT8SPDBXnk
Artistic Finance
https://linktr.ee/artisticfinance
Oliver Butler Instagram Videos
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cw0mLWmvy4L/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxJR1gjPRHz/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxpibFWO0Pe/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Oliver Butler
https://www.instagram.com/oliverbutler/
A Knock of the Roof:
https://www.nytw.org/show/a-knock-on-the-roof/
https://royalcourttheatre.com/whats-on/a-knock-on-the-roof/
WEER by Natalie Palamides
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WEER_(play)
GuideStar
https://www.guidestar.org/
The Public Theatre
https://publictheater.org/
Oscar Eustis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Eustis
Manhattan Theatre Club
https://www.manhattantheatreclub.com/
SoHo Rep
https://www.sohorep.org/
https://sohorep.org/staff-board/
Playwrights Horizons
https://www.playwrightshorizons.org/
New York Theatre Workshop
https://www.nytw.org/
Non Profit Theatre Budgets - 33% of Income From Ticket Sales
https://thenonprofittimes.com/npt_articles/nonprofit-theatres-rebounding-but-expenses-skyrocketing/
Theatre Communications Group (TCG) Budget Reports
https://tcg.org/Web/Our-Work/Research/Theatre-Facts.aspx
Oliver Butler (he/him) is a theatre director who grew up in New England and is now based in The Rockaways in Queens. He directed the critically-acclaimed Broadway premiere of Heidi Schreck’s What the Constitution Means to Me (Best Play Tony Award Nomination, Obie Award Winner, Lucille Lortel Award Nomination, Drama League Award Nomination, Outer Critics Circle Award Nomination; and Drama Desk Award Nomination; Finalist for the 2019 Pulitzer Prize for Drama), a film version of which is now streaming on Amazon Prime. He is directing the off-Broadway premiere of A Knock on the Roof by Khawla Ibraheem at New York Theatre workshop, which just returned from a sold-out premiere at The Edinburgh Fringe where they won 5 major awards including a Fringe First from The Scotsman. He directed the off-Broadway premiere of A Bright New Boise by Sam Hunter at Signature Theatre Company. Other recent credits include: the World Premiere of Tornado Tastes Like Aluminum Sting by Harmon Dot Aut, the World Premiere of Hester Street in Washington D.C., the NYC premiere of Will Eno’s GNIT at Theatre for a New Audience, the world premiere of Will Eno’s The Plot at Yale Repertory Theatre; the world premiere of Jordan Harrison’s The Amateurs at The Vineyard; the West Coast Premiere of Will Eno's Thom Pain (based on nothing) starring Rainn Wilson at The Geffen Playhouse; and the triumphant return of Thom Pain (based on nothing) to New York starring Michael C. Hall at the Signature Theatre Company. Additional career highlights include: Itamar Moses’s The Whistleblower at Denver Center, Christopher Shinn's An Opening in Time at Hartford Stage, Daniel Goldfarb's Legacy at Williamstown Theatre Festival, the world premiere of Timeshare by Lally Katz at The Malthouse in Melbourne, and the world premiere of Will Eno’s The Open House (OBIE Award for Direction; Lortel Award, Best Play) at the Signature Theatre Company. He is a co-founder and co-artistic director of The Debate Society with whom he has directed 10 premieres in 15 years including The Light Years (Playwrights Horizons), Jacuzzi (Ars Nova), and Blood Play (Bushwick Starr). He is a Sundance Institute Fellow and a Bill Foeller Fellow (Williamstown). He's a long-distance hiker who recently covered 500 miles on the Appalachian Trail and adventured near the Arctic circle in Hornstrandir Nature Reserve known as "The Iceland of Iceland."
Instagram Handles
@oliverbutler
@sdc_union
@nicolevsteimel
@ethansteimel
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Monday Dec 16, 2024
Monday Dec 16, 2024
Theatre designers and their agents come together for an in-depth discussion on navigating agent-designer relationships, contract negotiations, and strategies for fair compensation in the theatre industry.
Topics:
⭐️ Preparing for contract negotiations
⭐️ Challenges and solutions when negotiating
⭐️ Meeting and building relationships with agents
⭐️ Advice for early, mid-career, and high-profile designers
Youtube Version
https://youtu.be/y8rnJ1BPO8E
Patreon Version - with PDF Class Supplement
https://www.patreon.com/posts/176-pay-for-118020495
Artistic Finance
https://linktr.ee/artisticfinance
Daniela Hart - Sound Designer
https://www.uptownworksnyc.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniela-hart-ab066234
Jack Lavey - CPK Artists
https://www.jacklavey.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-lavey
Jason Lynch - Lighting Designer
https://www.jasondlynch.com/
Skyler Gray - Gersh Agency
https://www.linkedin.com/in/skyler-gray-30a9a545
Johanna Pan - Scenic & Costume Designer
https://johannapan.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/johanna-pan-42385533
Lucy Powis - Michael Moore Agency
https://www.lucypowis.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucy-powis
Cookie Jordan - Hair & Wig Designer
https://www.ibdb.com/broadway-cast-staff/cookie-jordan-485223
Russ Rosensweig - Summit Entertainment Group
https://www.summitentertainmentgroup.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/russ-rosensweig-8886b63
Instagram Handles
@danielavhart@jacklaveyCPK Artists@jasonlynch.designSkyler Gray@thegershagency@jpandesign@lucytp7@michaelmooreagency@cookiewigger
@russrosensweig@summitentertainmentgroup@unitedscenicartists@ethansteimel@nicolevsteimel

Tuesday Dec 10, 2024
Tuesday Dec 10, 2024
Lighting designer Travis McHale talks business and finance as a theatre designer.
Topics:
⭐️ Self filing taxes
⭐️ Negotiating rates
⭐️ Reasons to be investing
⭐️ Paying off mortgages early
⭐️ The magic of compound interest
⭐️ Stress and negativity of credit card debt
Patreon Resource Version
https://www.patreon.com/posts/175-creative-are-117433546?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
Video Version
https://youtu.be/7psS_ebQEyc
Artistic Finance
https://linktr.ee/artisticfinance
Travis McHale
https://www.travismchale.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismchale/
https://www.instagram.com/captainmchale/?hl=en
Excel 1040
https://sites.google.com/view/incometaxspreadsheet/home
GSA Per Diem
https://www.gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates
Craig Stelzenmuller
https://craigstelzenmuller.com/
David Lander
https://www.ibdb.com/broadway-cast-staff/david-lander-482552
Hunter Foster
https://www.hunterfosterofficial.com/
Linda Essig
Book on Entrepreneurship in the Arts
https://bookshop.org/a/86693/9781789385717
(that's my affiliate link)
TIAA
https://www.tiaa.org/public/tcm/myretirement/investment-performance
Fidelity
https://www.fidelity.com/
Travis McHale is a New York based lighting designer. Recent NYC: Is There Still Sex In The City (Daryl Roth), Get Happy: A Judy Garland Centennial Celebration starring Jessica Vosk (Carnegie), #DateMe: An OK Cupid Experiment (Westside), Mister Miss America (Rattlestick). Travis works extensively in regional theatre, has been associate designer on 11 Broadway shows, and 7 seasons designing runway shows for NY Fashion Week (IMCD). He also designs for Norwegian, Carnival, Regent, and Oceania cruise lines. Design faculty: SUNY New Paltz. Member: United Scenic Artists Local USA 829.
Instagram Handles
@captainmchale
@nicolevsteimel
@ethansteimel
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Wednesday Dec 04, 2024
Wednesday Dec 04, 2024
A conversation with lighting designer Don Holder.
Topics:
⭐️ Advice for young designers
⭐️ Managing finances as a freelancer
⭐️ Advantages of filing taxes as a C Corp
Video Version
https://youtu.be/YXHdU1JVmRE
Artistic Finance
https://linktr.ee/artisticfinance
Don Holder
https://www.donaldholderlighting.com/welcome/portfolio/index.html
https://www.ibdb.com/broadway-cast-staff/donald-holder-25700
The Lion King
https://lionking.com/
Spider-Man: Turn Off The Dark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_Turn_Off_the_Dark
Eastern Standard - Don's first Broadway design
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Standard
Imero Fiorentino
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imero_Fiorentino
Bill Klages - TV Lighting Designer
https://www.livedesignonline.com/news/memoriam-bill-klages
Randy Nordstrom
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0635210/
Frank Brault
https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankbrault
George Tsypin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tsypin
Jennifer Tipton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Tipton
LDI - Free registration with promo code ARTISTICFINANCE
https://www.ldishow.com/
LDI AF Recording - The Art of Tailoring A Show
https://sched.co/1odhj
LDI AF Recording - Financial Independence for Creatives
https://sched.co/1hUTn
Sylie Scowcroft
https://www.financialgrove.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sylvie-scowcroft-55670361/
Madelline Song In Two Languages at Once
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GoEuuMEkng
Donald Holder has worked extensively in Theatre, Opera, Dance, Architectural and Television lighting in the US and abroad for over 30 years. He has designed 60 Broadway productions and has been nominated for fourteen Tony awards, winning the Tony for Best Lighting Design for 'The Lion King' in 1998, and for the 2008 revival of 'South Pacific'. Recent Broadway productions include: 'The Pirates of Penzance' (Spring 2025), 'Tootsie', 'Kiss Me Kate', 'McNeal', 'Anastasia', 'My Fair Lady', 'Oslo', 'Straight White Men', 'She Loves Me', 'Fiddler On The Roof', 'The King and I', 'On The Twentieth Century' and many others. Projects at the NY Metropolitan Opera include: 'Champion', 'Rigoletto', 'Porgy and Bess', 'Samson et Delilah', 'Otello', 'The Magic Flute' and the premiere of 'Two Boys'. He has worked at most of the nation's leading resident theatres, and has designed over 100 Off-Broadway productions. His television/film work includes the theatrical lighting for 'Spirited' (Apple Studios), seasons one and two of 'Smash' (NBC-Dreamworks), 'Oceans 8' (Warner Brothers Pictures), 'Gossip Girl' (HBO Max), and 'The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel' (Amazon).
Recent International projects include the 2024 London West End revival of 'Kiss Me Kate' (Barbican), and 'The Great Qin' (Xian, China).
Mr. Holder's architectural lighting projects include the refurbishment (conversion to all LED light) at St Agnes Cathedral, Rockville Centre, NY, Bond 45 and Patio at the Edison Hotel, Dance Theatre Workshop- West 19th St. NYC, Sony Plaza's Public Spaces and the Sony Wonder Technology Lab, AT and T's Interactive Communications Gallery in Bedminster, NJ, The America's Smithsonian Exhibition (touring 12 cities across the United States), and several restaurants in midtown Manhattan, including the Redeye Grill and The Brooklyn Diner .
Holder was Head of the lighting design program at CalArts from 2006-2010, then led the lighting program at Rutgers University- Mason Gross School of the Arts 2016-2025, before transferring as Head of Lighting Design at The Yale School of Drama starting 2025. He is a graduate of the University of Maine and the Yale School of Drama, and the recipient of an Honorary Doctor of Arts Degree from Muhlenberg College.
Instagram Handles
@donaldholder12
@nicolevsteimel
@ethansteimel
Interview by Ethan Steimel

Friday Nov 29, 2024
Friday Nov 29, 2024
An interview with Amanda Gougelmann, part of the Software Support Team for ACT Entertainment and freelance stagehand.
Topics:
⭐️ Networking for advice
⭐️ Finding the market rate for a job
⭐️ Invest in yourself and your future
⭐️ Having multiple jobs to smooth over slow times
⭐️ Getting a job by starting a relationship at a trade show
⭐️ Donating and raising money for causes while still paying the bills
Video Version
https://youtu.be/oZ59YbvGNLI
Artistic Finance
https://linktr.ee/artisticfinance
LDI - Free registration with promo code ARTISTICFINANCE
https://www.ldishow.com/
LDI AF Recording - The Art of Tailoring A Show
https://sched.co/1odhj
LDI AF Recording - Financial Independence for Creatives
https://sched.co/1hUTn
Amanda Gougelmann
https://www.instagram.com/gougelmann.productions/
ACT Entertainment
https://actentertainment.com/
Ellen Lampert-Gréaux
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ellen-lampert-gr%C3%A9aux-2abb351b/
Amanda Gougelmann is a part of the Software Support T eam at ACT Entertainment and is the owner of Gougelmann Productions. While Amanda is currently based out of San Diego, CA, she does make the 5 day commute to Burbank! Amanda graduated from San Diego State University with a Bachelor of Arts in Theatre Design and T echnology. After being introduced to the Entertainment Industry through concerts and theatre, Amanda has continued to pursue her interest in lightning throughout her time in college and post college with ACT and freelance work. Instagram: @gougelmann.productions
Instagram Handles
@gougelmann.productions
@nicolevsteimel
@ethansteimel
@live.design
@ldishow
Hosted by Ellen Lampert-Gréaux and Ethan Steimel

Tuesday Nov 26, 2024
Tuesday Nov 26, 2024
An interview with Ulrike Storch: a business coach for circus performers.
Topics:
⭐️ Whether or not to work for free
⭐️ Marketing and social media curating
⭐️ A frank look at rates and negotiations
⭐️ Authenticity in professional communication
Video Version
https://youtu.be/EGFtaB6ii1c
Artistic Finance
https://linktr.ee/artisticfinance
Stagelync Episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAF-8SJHUCk&t=6s&ab_channel=StageLync
Ulrike Storch
https://linktr.ee/sellingcircus
https://www.ulrikestorch.com/
https://www.instagram.com/ulrikestorch/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ulrike-storch-53b0bb207/?originalSubdomain=uk
StageLync
https://stagelync.com/
https://stagelync.com/news/sl/podcast
Anna Robb
https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-robb/
Instagram Handles
@ulrikestorch
@stagelync
@anna_lorreine_robb
@ethansteimel
@nicolevsteimel
Interview by Anna Robb

Thursday Nov 21, 2024
Thursday Nov 21, 2024
Alex Pendleton, manager of Netgear’s ProAV Systems Engineering department sits down with Ellen and Ethan to talk personal finances.
Topics:
⭐️ Paying yourself first
⭐️ Investing as much as possible
⭐️ Long term investing apart from news cycles
Video Version
https://youtu.be/KiZcsADzSqE
Artistic Finance
https://linktr.ee/artisticfinance
LDI - Free registration with promo code ARTISTICFINANCE
https://www.ldishow.com/
LDI AF Recording - The Art of Tailoring A Show
https://sched.co/1odhj
LDI AF Recording - Financial Independence for Creatives
https://sched.co/1hUTn
Alex Pendleton
https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-pendleton-0029b422/
www.netgear.com
Can I afford it?
https://thefinancialdiet.com/step-step-guide-tell-can-truly-afford-something/
Ellen Lampert-Gréaux
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ellen-lampert-gr%C3%A9aux-2abb351b/
Alex Pendleton is a Manager for ProAV Systems Engineering supporting the interoperability between NETGEAR hardware and various Pro AV products. Alex is a member of the Pro AV Engineering Services team providing training, network topology design, and support. He’s been with NETGEAR for over 9 years.
Instagram Handles
@nicolevsteimel
@ethansteimel
@live.design
@ldishow
@netgear
Hosted by Ellen Lampert-Gréaux and Ethan Steimel

Monday Nov 18, 2024
Monday Nov 18, 2024
On today’s show we go across the pond to the UK. We meet the co-founders of Women in Lighting. It's a project by Light Collective run by our guests Sharon Stammers and Martin Lupton. Amy D Lux guest hosts this interview.
Topics:
⭐️ Balancing Money Goals & Lifestyle Goals
⭐️ Starting your own company and following your passions
⭐️ Building a global project that connects 78 countries, and counting
Video Version
https://youtu.be/9KcEKBeA3lw
Artistic Finance
https://linktr.ee/artisticfinance
Women In Lighting
https://womeninlighting.com/
Light Collective
https://lightcollective.net/
https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13668807/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/light-collective-uk/
Sharon Stammers
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharon-stammers-7266abb/
Martin Lupton
https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-lupton/
LDI - Free registration with promo code ARTISTICFINANCE
https://www.ldishow.com/
LDI AF Recording - The Art of Tailoring A Show
https://sched.co/1odhj
LDI AF Recording - Financial Independence for Creatives
https://sched.co/1hUTn
Light Installations by Christopher Bauder
https://www.christopherbauder.com/
Forma Lighting
https://www.formalighting.com/
Ayrton
https://www.ayrton.eu/
Amy D Lux:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/amy-d-lux-953a7318a/
https://utopiadreamscape.com/author/luvlogica/
Light Collective is not a standard lighting consultancy… in fact, we really struggle to categorize ourselves given that our body of light based work is so diverse.
Our creative portfolio of work houses more than architectural lighting design and has grown to encompass many innovative projects which include light art installations, marketing projects, competitions, curated exhibitions, lighting awards, branding, trade stands and shows, epic parties, pop up events, guerrilla lighting, community projects and light education.
Our clients have ranged from the small scale to the large: designing for a school in Glasgow to a shopping mall in Kuwait, lighting an exhibition at the Museum of London to inventing an app for Phillips… We are based in the UK but have worked all over the world; creating light in the snow in Finland or in the heat of Kenya…
All of our work has light at the heart of it and always looks to promote light, lighting design and lighting designers to as wide an audience as possible. Both of us have also previously been active in lighting associations that are dedicated to promoting lighting design globally. We continue this ethos independently in our work.
One of our other passions is documenting light. Everywhere we go, we like to film light. Light projects, light art, light events, light products and light people. You can find all our films on Light Collective TV.
We are only two people. Martin Lupton and Sharon Stammers. Martin has a PhD in Lighting and Sharon has an MSc. We have both worked in the lighting industry for over 20 years and started Light Collective in 2009.
Martin began in environmental engineering and then moved on to Directorial roles at both Pinniger and Partners and BDP and has worked on many high profile architectural projects prior to co-founding Light Collective. This includes the Cutty Sark, Liverpool One, Westfield, the Royal Albert Memorial Museum, Kelvingrove Museum and many more.
Sharon started her career in stage lighting working in London before becoming an Associate Director at both Lighting Design Partnership and Lightmatters. Her previous projects include Heron Quays station, Al Azhar Park, Somerset House and the fountains within the Great Court, the Prince of Wales Theatre, the Coliseum Theatre and the Ashmolean Museum.
We are active fans of self commissioning and when we have an idea, we will do what we can to make it happen ourselves.
We are always open to any light based challenge you can give us.
Instagram Handles
@womeninlighting
@lightcollective
@sharonstammers
@lobolux
@ethansteimel
@nicolevsteimel
Interview by Amy D Lux









